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TOPIC: --Comprehensive FAQ-- PLEASE READ FIRST
--Comprehensive FAQ-- PLEASE READ FIRST 8 months 2 weeks ago #59556
***As originally posted by a previous forum Administrator**
This is a general FAQ with many questions not answered on the main site.
PLEASE read through this quickly before you post general questions; your question may already be answered here, and save you some time!
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Quick Term Reference Guide
Weathered / V2 - Weathered refers to the "dark finish" sabers that SaberForge offers. They have two options: Standard Dark Weathering (black anodizing, stripped and weathered), and Grey Weathering, which is only available on a select few hilts and only through the main site, meaning it is not offered in their Etsy shop.
Stunt - Stunt simply refers to a Warrior tier - like saber. A saber without sound.
SaberCore - The name SaberForge has given their exclusive Champion-tier sabers' soundboards.
Fonts - The soundfont on a saber's soundboard is commonly referred to as just a Font. IE; Sabercore offers two Fonts, Viridium and Crimson.
6W / 12W / 12W+ - 6 Watt LED and 12 Watt/+ LED. Refers to the power draw of the LED unit housed in the saber. LED modules from SF are based on 3W LED die housed inside a module; 6W LEDs have two LED die, 12W have 4. We are able to make our unique colors by custom mixing these four die at different strengths.
Finishes - Saberforge offers a couple different hilt finishes on their sabers. Standard and weathered are the most common types. Most people refer to these solely as the finish on the saber, unless being specific towards one type over the other.
Dual Tone - A type of finish on the saber, such as the Black and Silver dual-tone finishes on the Bane sabers currently offered.
Infinity Edge V4 - the name of SF's signature series polycarbonate blades. The V4 is the ONLY blade that SF is currently offering for purchase, and one is included in all purchases of a hilt warrior tier and up.
ASP - Adaptive Saber Parts, SaberForge's modular hilt system to create and design your own saber. Note that ASP is NOT compatible with other brands of modular hilt systems, such as MHS (Modular Hilt System) from TCSS (The Custom Saber Shop). The web site for ASP parts is HERE
Hilt (Pommel, Emitter, Body, Switches, Etc) - The saber hilt has several sections, which combined form the Hilt itself. The emitter houses the blade, the switch section houses the recharge port/AV switch to turn the saber on/off, Body offers the bulk of the hilt, and the pommel is the cap/end piece that keeps the internals IN the saber.
Initiate / Apprentice - because these two terms are similar, they get interchanged a lot, but mean ENTIRELY different things, and it can become very confusing as to what you intend if you accidentally misuse the terms. Initiate is an EMPTY hilt, from any level of saber (Apprentice, Elite, Crystal). Apprentice are the entry-level sabers SaberForge offers, which currently consist of the Acolyte, Consular, Disciple, and Arbiter.
Frequently Asked Questions!
Q - What should my first saber be?
A - Simply put, your first saber should always be the saber that jumps off the page at you. There are a hundred, or even a thousand, factors that go into choosing a saber, and asking someone else "which one should I get?" is inevitably a question of opinion. You will get three different answers from three different people with such a general question. Try browsing through the apprentice sabers first; they're a little less expensive and a little more simple in design. If none of them truly jump out to you, then try going through the Elite models until you find a saber that just cries out to be owned. If you find more than one that does... well. Welcome to the saber collecting addiction forum group.
Q - How do I redeem my Saber Forge gift certificate?
Q - What color is the best?
A - Must like the previous question, this is entirely a matter of opinion. Certain colors do vary in lumens* but they are all beautiful and bright. Pick the one that either A) appeals to you directly or appeals to the character for which the saber is for, in a cosplay or the like. Of course, there are the typical distinctions, red, blood orange, purple are more on the Darkside, blues and greens and yellow on the light... it's all, honestly, a matter of what you like the best.
Q - Is the 12W+ upgrade worth the price?
A - Short answer: Yes! Absolutely it is. Long answer: Depending upon which tier of saber you select, it can also have an impact on the battery used for the saber. If you're getting a warrior tier saber, the 6W is powered by AAA batteries. You will end up spending more than the $30 12W upgrade price in no time at all in batteries with this set up. The 12W warrior comes with the 18650 rechargeable, tho only the Bane currently offers an in-hilt recharge port for the warrior tier. The increased power draw does not impact battery life in a hugely negative fashion; the 12W LEDs are just more powerful, and capable of doing more. For example: hero tier sabers only offer a 12W LED.
Q - What is the leadtime for my Saber?
A - -- IMPORTANT PRE-NOTE-- It is very, VERY important to note the "estimated" time frame for ALL sabers. When situations and circumstances increase beyond the control and expectation of SF, they must make adjustments, and this can result in higher than expected wait times in some situations. ALWAYS REMEMBER: The wait time quoted to you is an estimate, NOT a guarantee. The current leadtime can be found here on the main site. This leadtime is generally accurate, and updated when it increases or decreases, so make sure you check it a couple of times throughout your wait time, to see if there have been any increases or drops in the wait time. For Etsy, their wait time is listed at:
Parts such as LEDs, Blade Plugs, and Kill Keys are typically
Ready to ship in 1-2 weeks.
These are also accurate, and will update periodically as well, so again make sure you check. For Etsy, the wait times are listed on the item description under the "Shipping & Policies" Tab.
Q - What is the shipping process?
A - As many notice, their first saber order can be a little confusing when it comes to shipping. To be clear and as simple as possible, I will break this answer into two segments.
(1) Ordering from the Website, Saberforge.com. When you order from the website, you will get a confirmation email, then nothing else until the saber goes to the build queue. When its time has come, you will receive a shipping notice, and be provided the tracking number. However--this does not mean your saber has actually SHIPPED. It has just been added to the build queue. It will take approx. 5 - 10 Business Days for the saber to be completed. Once the batch has been built, they will ship out. This can happen any day of the week. Saberforge smiths have recently transitioned from 4 10s to 5 8s shifts, and some are working some serious overtime regardless to produce as many hilts as possible every day.
(2) Ordering from Etsy. When you order off of Etsy, your order will state confirmed up until it ships. When it goes to Shipped Status on the Etsy order status screen, the same as what would have happened had you ordered from the site direct happens; you will get the shipped notification, and be provided the tracking number, however, the saber has not physically shipped. On Etsy, it is easier to keep track of the order from this point out. Once the order physically leaves the building and USPS begins to update the tracking information, the status will change from "Shipped" to "In Transit." Then, once it reaches you, naturally it changes to "Delivered." - Please note that recently Etsy's tracking system is pretty unreliable, we advise to track the orders directly on USPS. Due to the holiday season, USPS tracking is also experiencing multiple issues as well as delays on packages.
Q - I have a problem with X!
A - As I'm sure I speak for most of us... we're sorry you have whatever issue it is you're having, however! The forum is not a good place to post warranty inquiries or problems that you've had with your order issues, etc. You need to contact SF directly about these, so that they can handle your issue. Thanks! (Just a sidenote, it is included in the forum rules as well that these inquiries need to be directed to SF directly!)
Q - What is included with my purchase?
A - Most of the time the descriptions are fairly accurate, but can be somewhat confusing if you're new to the saber collecting scene and are not entirely sure just what everything is. This being said, I will break down each tier, and what they come with, in easy-to-understand terms.
Initiate - Empty. No electronics, no LED, no blade. Just the machined hilt. You can request that the pieces not be glued together, to allow for easier disassembly and easier installation of electronics into these hilts. Purchase if: you only want a hilt to sit on your shelf and do nothing with, or want a hilt to do your own install on. These do include your blade plug, and retention screws (LED and blade).
Warrior - Basic stunt saber. Comes with your choice of 6W or 12W LED. 6W Warrior runs on AAA batteries, that you will need to supply. 12W Warrior comes with the 18650 rechargeable battery and a charger for said battery. You will need to remove the battery through the bottom of the hilt to recharge it. Also comes with a blade, your choice of 26, 32, or 37in Infinity Edge v4 blade, covertech wheel is installed on the saber (covertech belt clip does come as a separate piece), and a blade plug. Apprentice and Elite sabers have two different models of blade plugs, as the Elite model blade plug cannot fit in an Apprentice Acolyte or Disciple, due to the lip on the plug and the slanted emitter on the saber.
Champion - Saber with sound. SF offers two soundboard selections for their Champion level sabers: Viridium and Crimson. Viridium is commonly referred to as the "Lightside option" and Crimson as the "Darkside font." These boards come with the fonts permanently flashed on, and cannot be changed. The boards do offer an on-board menu that can be accessed directly on the saber to adjust various settings. They also offer a choice of 6W or 12W LEDs. The Champions have in-hilt recharge, and come with the charger necessary, the battery pre-installed in the saber, a blade plug, covertech wheel installed on the saber (belt clip system separate) and your choice of a 26, 32, or 37in Infinity Edge v4 blade. Champion sabers also include a lit AV switch. By default this will be the color of the LED.
Hero - SF's saber with the most options. These feature a soundboard with 6 customizable soundfonts, which can be changed on the SD card included on every board, just inside the bottom of the hilt. There is both an onboard menu for some options, and a menu on the SD card to customize and set up your saber's settings to your preferred state. These come with a 12W LED, with a few options: Hero sabers offer color-changing abilities. You can, if you do not want color changing, request a single, 12W LED color to be solid. The standard setup for a Hero is 2 6W colors mixed for 1 12W. IE: Red 6W and Amber 6W for a 12W Blood Orange. The other option is the RGBA, which offers several colors at 3W, mixing for 6W, up to a 12W with all of the LED die lit. The higher tier board also offers other features, such as color pulse and flash on clash, depending on your LED choice. Color pulse will be included on any LED, as it just varies the intensity of the LED brightness, and can be customized on the SD card. The flash feature is available on the RGBA and 6W/6W/12W LED setup, and can also be customized on the SD card settings. These have in-hilt recharge, and come with the charger necessary, the battery pre-installed in the saber, a blade plug, covertech wheel installed on the saber (belt clip system separate) and your choice of a 26, 32, or 37in Infinity Edge v4 blade. Hero sabers also have 2 lit AV switches. They will be the 2 6W colors you selected, unless otherwise directed (requested in the comments.)
Q - How do I access the onboard menu on the Champion sabers?
A - This process is actually easier than you may think. All you need to do is hold down the power button for 3 seconds while the saber is powered off. You will hear it enter the menu, and give you options. Press the button once to cycle through the options. Once you have a setting you like, hold the button down for 3 seconds to advance to the next setting. Once you have reached the end of the menu, it will tell you that your settings have been saved, and the saber will turn on, and you can use it normally.
Q - I want a saber with sound, but I do not always want to hear the sound... is there a way to toggle the sound off?
A - Yes! On the champion sabers, it's as simple as accessing the onboard menu and setting the volume control to "Mute." You will notice there is still a very slight, barely audible hum coming from the saber when it's muted, this is normal. On the Hero sabers, you just need to configure one of your 6 Fonts to be silent on the SD card configuration.
Q - What is a blade plug?
A - A blade plug is a small section of blade material (lengths vary depending on the socket depth of the saber ordered) topped by machined, or laser etched metal or plastic. The functional purpose is to protect the LED lens from dust. However, it also adds some aesthetic value to the emitter, giving it the appearance of what a real saber would look like when not powered on.
Q - What is the main difference between an Apprentice and an Elite saber? Why are the crystal ones more expensive?
A - The main difference between the apprentice and elite lines is the number of pieces it takes to assemble them. The elite sabers are a combination of pieces; an emitter, a switch section, grip, and pommel. In some cases these pieces can be swapped out with other saber parts. An apprentice saber, however, is just two pieces: a solid machined body and a pommel. This reduces the cost to make the saber, and therefore they can offer it at a lower price. This is why apprentice sabers are such good entry sabers into the hobby! They show you what a saber CAN do before investing a lot more money in a fancier model. The crystal sabers are more expensive because they contain custom machined "crystal chamber" sections within the saber that can also impact it's dueling functionality. It costs more for SF to make a crystal saber, so the price is higher, but they're also much prettier display pieces. Also note that the crystal reveal sabers are not warrantied for full contact dueling.
Q - You mentioned some pieces can be swapped out...
Q - Can SaberForge do X?
Q - What are some details on the new customs shop?
A - Probably the most common question is: what is the wait time for the custom shop? And the answer to that is: It varies. Depending upon the current workload that the customs shop has, it could be as short as a week or two, or as long as a typical saber order. It just really varies on what they have going on, what it is you're requesting to be done, how time-consuming the work you want done will be, and on several other factors. There is no wait time currently set in stone. Upon contacting them, they will most likely update you with an estimated time frame. Keep in mind, the time frame is just an estimate, not a guarantee.
The second cost is: cost. How much does it cost? This answer will again vary upon what you're having done. Their current rate for work $80 / hour of work done on the saber. I've been advised by the head of the customs shop himself this means that modified ASP and SF sabers are where you're going to get the most bang for your buck. They can do more, faster on these hilts. Anything beyond that, will just depend on the time it takes to build, design, create, etc...
The last common question: How many powdercoating colors are there? The real answer? A LOT. There are over 20 base colors, which can be combined in certain cases for other colors... meaning the limit is pretty high up there. They have a lot of customization available at their fingertips.
Q - How can I request a special color on my saber?
A - First, I would advise you to contact SF directly before making your purchase, and making sure that they will be able to accommodate your request for your saber. If they are, then all you need do is write the request in the Order Comments section, whether on Etsy or the main site. This being said, it is common knowledge to those that have been around SF for a time but not so much to newcomers that there are certain requests that they can and will handle that you can always put in the comments field. If you want your covertech wheel to be a specific finish... put it in the comments! AV switches on a champion tier saber come default the same color as the LED in the blade, but if you would like it to be a different color, put it in the comments! Same with the blade plug finish. If you really want an all-silver blade plug for your weathered saber, put it in the comments! SF is very good about handling all of these requests as best they can. AV switches silver or black? Put it in the comments!
Q - What blade length is better?
A - Which one do you like best? This is, once again, a bit of a personal taste question. Factors that should impact your decision: how tall are you? Do you dual wield, or single? Is this for a staff, or single? What are you familiar with using? Ask yourself these questions to narrow down your answer. Shorter people, for example, are probably going to find that the 37in blade is just a little long, and they have issues with the blade hitting the ground. Personally speaking, I'm 6'1" and I find the 32in blade to have a perfect reach and balance. When dual wielding, however, you may want to try even shorter blades, dropping to the 26in. You'll have more control, faster strikes, and be able to recover and defend against someone with a longer blade more easily.
Q - What size are the retention screws and what allen key do I need?
A - The retention screws are all 8-32 thread screws, which require a 5/64" Allen key.
Q - What is the "nightlite" option I've heard of?
A - This can be tricky; there are two things which are almost the same thing, and most commonly, they are both referred to as the "nightlite" option. It is important when placing your order to know the difference and make sure you are requesting the right one for what you want.
Nightlite - The actual term Nightlite refers to an in-hilt recharge port that is not wired like a typical recharge port. In this situation, the battery does not charge when it's plugged in... the LED turns on while it is plugged in. This is ideal for wall-hanging or decoration, where you can have the saber plugged in and turned on for display.
In-hilt recharge - Adding the in-hilt recharge (normally only available on Champion and Hero tiers) to a warrior.
Both of these have the same cost, but the term "nightlite" is commonly referred to for both, and it's a rather important distinction.
Q - When is SaberForge going to have a sale?
A - Usually when there's a sale, someone will post about it pretty quickly. However, they do not use this forum as a means to announce their sales; that information is generally communicated via Facebook. Find their facebook page here.
Q - When is X design being released?
A - All of the information we currently have on upcoming designs and releases can be found here! SaberForge has stated on a couple occassions that they will not pin down any concrete dates for releases. We keep the thread as up to date as possible with new designs that they discuss and show, tentative release dates, and whatever else we can find out through any means necessary. But we will never have a solid "this will be released on the 20th." response to this question, unfortunately.
Q - You guys are amazing! But where can I talk to a SF employee?
Q - How long does it take SF to respond to a message?
A - Keep in mind, despite our recent success and growth we still are a small business, and experiencing the common growing pains associated with their latest growth surge. It may take some time for us to respond, but rest assured, we WILL get back to you. We do not ignore any messages, so unless it's been over a week and you haven't got a response, then please have a little patience, you will receive a response. If it's been a week without a reply, it is possible we didn't get your email for whatever reason. In this situation, make sure that our response is not being intercepted by the SPAM filter on your preferred e-mail client. If that is not the case, try sending us another. Bear in mind that e-mails go in to a queue, and are acted upon in the order received, and each e-mail received from you sends it to the bottom of the queue. So, sending multiple e-mails can contribute to a delayed response. On rare occasion, we have seen situations where certain e-mail providers don't send, or receive e-mails to SaberForge consistently, which can be one possible reason for not hearing back from CS in a reasonable time frame. If you suspect this could be an issue, try sending from one of the main e-mail domains, such as G-Mail, or Yahoo. Some users have found that they were able to communicate more consistently once they switched e-mail originators, so it is something you can do to troubleshoot the communication process, and if it works, many misunderstandings and unspoken assumptions are avoided.
Also, remember, we strive to treat all of our customers with respect and professionalism, we do ask that you do the same in return. We do not appreciate threats, hostility, or profanity. If your email contains these things, you will be asked not to do that, if it persists we will ignore your emails. We are not obligated to be subject to abuse.
Q - Wait, SF has an Etsy shop with a shorter lead time? Why isn't there a direct link on the front page to this?
A - This has been brought up, and is currently being addressed. SF is planning a very large website update in the near future for their ASP launch. There are links on the main page of the website to their Etsy site listings for some of their limited release sabers, but not a full description of the Etsy shop and a link to it. This may, or may not be being rectified. We shall see when the update launches.
Q - My saber says it shipped yesterday but the tracking number hasn't updated. Why?
A - Shipped status does not actually mean physically shipped. This may take some getting used to, but when SF sets your order to shipped status (both on the website and through Etsy) it actually means that the saber is now in the build log. It will be constructed in the next week or two, and shipped out after it's been completed. This process generally takes 5-10 business days (Mon-Thurs) to complete. Once the saber has actually shipped, the tracking number will update with the saber's progress through the world to you. Personal piece of advice is just to check the tracking number every evening to see when it begins to update, and once it does, you know your saber is almost to you!
Q - Can I buy an Initiate saber and upgrade it later on my own?
A - Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Yes, but - it requires a certain set of skills to install a saber, and without those, you may quickly realize you're in over your head, and be opting to send it back to SF for an upgrade to the tier of your choice instead later. This will cost more, in the long run, to do it this way. If you're wanting a way to buy a saber slowly without one big major purchase, I would not advise going this way, but rather look into the ASP system and buying the hilt parts and pieces to a time instead.
Q - What is a "shelf-queen"?
A - Most of SF's sabers are duel-ready, and a lot (not all, there's exceptions to every rule... ever) use their sabers for just that; to duel. So, a shelf-queen is what most people refer to a saber that you don't duel with, and sits solely on the shelf for display. There are several reasons one could give a saber that label, if they just didn't want to duel with it but liked how the saber looks, they might keep it on display, or because the saber isn't duel worthy, it might be kept solely on display. SF offers the selection of their Crystal sabers, which aren't warrantied for full-contact dueling due to the nature of the modifications necessary to install the crystal reveal chambers. These can have impacts on the structural integrity of the saber, meaning dueling with them could damage the hilt, internals, or the reveal chamber itself. It is recommended, therefore, that these sabers be more for display, casual use, etc. A lot of people also buy the canon-inspired designs, such as the Prodigal Son or Redeemer, to put them on display as well. It's all what you want, and what your preference is for your saber.
Q - Are thin-neck sabers duel ready?
A - Short answer: Yes, absolutely they are. This is what SF specializes in, duel-ready sabers.
Long answer: Yes, they are. As SF strives (and delivers) on duel-ready, excellent sabers, the thin-neck sabers are no exception to this rule. Every thin neck saber is duel-ready, and if, by some chance, you have a mishap, they have a full warranty in place to cover any problems that may arise from dueling with your saber. Thin neck sabers also have a special "thin-neck blade"... you will need thin-neck blades for your thin-neck sabers, as regular blades will not fit into a thin-neck emitter properly. The thin-neck blades have no glue around the film to keep the diffusing film within the blade in place, as the film needs to be cut higher in the blade so the blade can fit into the very tight and secure emitter. The tight fit is done intentionally, to add security to the blade, as it does not have as deep a socket on it as other hilt styles.
Q - I heard there are different blade sizes, and what exactly is a thin-neck blade?
A - There are indeed a few different blade sizes on the market, from different types of manufacturers. SF, and the majority of the market, however, all utilize 1in diameter blades. This means that most major brands of sabers use the same size blades, and you can use a V4 blade on their hilts without any issues.
As for thin-neck blades, as said before, it's actually a very simple distinction between thin-neck and regular blades. There is no size difference, just a slight difference in the length of the film within the blade itself. The tight-grip emitter on a thin-neck hilt cannot fit a "regular" blade because their film comes to the bottom of the inside of the hilt and is held inside with a bit of glue. The thin-neck blades have the film cut an inch or so shorter, and are not held inside by the glue, as the glue would show externally on the hilt and detract from the appearance of the saber. So, same size, same blade, just a difference in how the film inside is done.
Q - Can I get a saber from the main store with an all black finish?
A - Absolutely! However, it is not available on all models. The ones where it is an option (listed below), just put "All black finish" in the order notes.
A How-To for Common Questions on the Forum
How to embed Images
Guide - Embedding images is one of the most commonly seen issues on the forum. People just aren't sure how it's done. So, here's a step-by-step guide to assist you in learning how to properly attach, upload, and embed your images to share with others.
Step 1 - Get your picture, and make sure it's not raw camera file. If it's just been taken directly from a phone or digital camera, the file size may be larger than what you would actually expect. You can use default programs such as Paint to resize the image, and scale it down to a size the forum can handle for uploads. Currently, that is roughly 700Kb.
Step 2 - When you open your reply screen, click on "Add file" below the text entry box.
Step 3 - Navigate to, then select your image, and hit Open.
Step 4 - Place your cursor in the Text Entry field, type your message, and when you get to the area in which you want the picture to show up (whether in the middle of the entry or towards the bottom of the page, click on the "Insert" button with your cursor in the area you want.
This will insert a piece of code that will embed the image within your post, so it will be easy to see for everyone.
Step 5 - Submit your reply. If it times out, and does not upload your image, your file size is probably still too large. Try resizing it down some more in Paint, or another editor program. Keep in mind the forum is rather picky with file sizes. The smaller, the easier to upload, but you will sacrifice some in image quality. External host sites, such as Photobucket, may be better/advised if you're submitting review photos of a new saber, or want a detailed, large shot of an issue you're trying to get advice on. Simply use their image link to embed the image directly into your post, if you go that route.
How to embed Links
Guide - Embedding links to look like parts and pieces of your regularly scheduled sentences, such as like this is actually really simple.
Step 1 - Get your link! For the sake of this, we're just going to use "http://saberforge.com/".
Step 2 - Above your text entry field in your reply box, there are a plethora of boxes, options, and choices. These are all simple-click-insert coding options for the forum. Click on the "Link" box.
Step 3 - This brings up a couple boxes we put our information into. The first box, you will copy/paste your link into. The second, put the word that you want to be hyperlinked into.
Step 4 - Insert your link! Click on insert with your cursor in the area you want the link to be inserted, and it should come up looking like:
And now, you know how to insert clever-looking links, that are easy to navigate to, and look clean!
How to embed Youtube Videos
Guide - Ever seen someone link a youtube video, and wish you didn't have to copy/paste the link to open a new window, just to see the video they're talking about? Well, there's a very easy way to embed a Youtube video directly into the body of your post, and I'm going to show you how!
Step 1 - Get your Youtube video ID. The video ID is in the link of the video, and is the highlighted portion of this screenshot:
Step 2 - Above your text entry field in your reply box, there are a plethora of boxes, options, and choices. These are all simple-click-insert coding options for the forum. Click on the "Video" box.
Step 3 - On the drop-down menu of Provider, select Youtube, then paste in the video ID that you obtained in step 1!
Step 4 - Last, click on Insert, when you have your cursor in the field where you want the video to display. It'll insert a short line of code that will display the video in it's neat, easy-to-view-right-there format.
And now you know how to do Links, Videos, and Image attachments, all in easy-to-view and see formats. Thanks for reading through, guys, and happy posting!
*lumens is a true measure of brightness, not wattage.
** Ran into max alotted uploads for the post, had to outsource and link in images.
Imagine what you will know tomorrow....
Last Edit: 6 months 1 week ago by OvrcAHst. Reason: Etsy Now Trading: Update
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