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grey jedi 2 weeks 2 days ago #63146

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what color do you think would go with someone who has no allegience to the sith or the jedi. A character who was maybe once a jedi or sith but left and became a bounty hunter who uses both light and dark side powers?
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I like the white blade for a grey tbh.

A Sith normally creates his own crystal and a Jedi selects his ccrystal based on availability and his inner force.

A grey shouldnt really be leaning either way.
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I agree my thoughts were either purple (red and blue together) or white
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grey jedi 2 weeks 2 days ago #63150

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I agree with Ttocs, White is pretty good. Also Purple imo.

And I don't want to be rude but to clarify Ttocs earlier point, the new canon is that Sith crystals are no longer synthetic and are natural growing.
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I'm firmly of the belief that to a grey jedi, lightsaber colour doesn't signify anything. He or she uses whatever they wish, or if the Force guides them to a specific colour then that is what they would use.

Also, I too don't want to be rude, but screw the new canon's explaination of lightsaber crystals. There are good and bad things about Legends and New Canon, and the new lightsaber crystal thing is total utter [CENSORED]
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I actually like the idea of Sith creating their own crystals. They infuse it with their hate, wrath etc....

Also, I do agree that Grey may weild any colour based on their past but I just like the neutrality of the white. Not taking a side on the colour spectrum and all, haha.
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Yeah, if I were to make a grey jedi costume or anything I would totally have a white saber, but I just always thought, grey jedi covers so much more of the Force users than Jedi and Sith do, and so any colour works for them.
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I haven't gotten to the Legacy comics yet, but what caused the Imperial Knights to have grey/silver blades? Were their crystals natural or synthetic?
I bring them up specifically because does anyone actually consider themselves a "Grey Jedi"? As far as I under stand the situation with the IKs, they considered themselves Light Side, and the Jedi Order proper considered them Grey.

So it becomes a question of "what do the individuals in question consider themselves to be?" If they consider themselves a Sith who knows better than everyone else (like Darth Bane), then they might gravitate more toward the red end of the Saber Spectrum; if they consider themselves Jedi, they may gravitate more toward the traditional blue/green/sometimes-yellow; if they consider themselves as something apart from either, I would say it's purely a matter of preference.

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A young Jedi comes upon the teachings of Qui-Gon Jinn regarding The Living Force, and they don't think the Order takes them seriously enough, they would stand apart from the Jedi while still being very much Light-Side, and would probably seek through The Force for a natural crystal that most suits them.

On the other hand, a Jedi General during the Clone War damages their saber in combat and needs a new crystal, and while not falling to the Dark-Side still aren't near as well balanced as they once were, there are no natural crystals to be found on the planet they're on, so they fasion a synthetic crystal that ends up creating a more indigo blade, reflecting not so much Force Darkness as much as simply being jaded and worn out of balance by the relentless combat.

A Sith Lord (no longer an Acolyte, not yet a Darth) is on a mission, things (as Deadpool would say) 'go sideways', but their life is saved by a Jedi, and while they're not anywhere near turning to the Light-Side, they do have serious doubts about Sith Order and the Darths that run it, so they create a new saber crystal that truly reflects their newfound 'balance' and carve their own destiny. (For the sake of argument let's say their blade also ends up closer to indigo than anything else.)
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grey jedi 2 weeks 1 day ago #63165

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Roger Redux wrote:
I haven't gotten to the Legacy comics yet, but what caused the Imperial Knights to have grey/silver blades? Were their crystals natural or synthetic?
I bring them up specifically because does anyone actually consider themselves a "Grey Jedi"? As far as I under stand the situation with the IKs, they considered themselves Light Side, and the Jedi Order proper considered them Grey.

So it becomes a question of "what do the individuals in question consider themselves to be?" If they consider themselves a Sith who knows better than everyone else (like Darth Bane), then they might gravitate more toward the red end of the Saber Spectrum; if they consider themselves Jedi, they may gravitate more toward the traditional blue/green/sometimes-yellow; if they consider themselves as something apart from either, I would say it's purely a matter of preference.

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A young Jedi comes upon the teachings of Qui-Gon Jinn regarding The Living Force, and they don't think the Order takes them seriously enough, they would stand apart from the Jedi while still being very much Light-Side, and would probably seek through The Force for a natural crystal that most suits them.

On the other hand, a Jedi General during the Clone War damages their saber in combat and needs a new crystal, and while not falling to the Dark-Side still aren't near as well balanced as they once were, there are no natural crystals to be found on the planet they're on, so they fasion a synthetic crystal that ends up creating a more indigo blade, reflecting not so much Force Darkness as much as simply being jaded and worn out of balance by the relentless combat.

A Sith Lord (no longer an Acolyte, not yet a Darth) is on a mission, things (as Deadpool would say) 'go sideways', but their life is saved by a Jedi, and while they're not anywhere near turning to the Light-Side, they do have serious doubts about Sith Order and the Darths that run it, so they create a new saber crystal that truly reflects their newfound 'balance' and carve their own destiny. (For the sake of argument let's say their blade also ends up closer to indigo than anything else.)

damn dude that is the coolest thing I have heard in a while, especially since your last example pretty much is how my guy becomes a grey jedi, he was an inquisitor, who was told to kill an innocent child, but couldnt do it, when the grand inquisitor saw his weakness, he was going to cut my character down for his failure but then they were attacked and a despite a bad injury a jedi saved him an nurtured him back to health. The jedi sensed the good that was still inside him. that being said, what would you recommend between purple or indigo? I'm scared with purple being too pink, but also scared of indigo being too blue.
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grey jedi 2 weeks 1 day ago #63166

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damn dude that is the coolest thing I have heard in a while, especially since your last example pretty much is how my guy becomes a grey jedi, he was an inquisitor, who was told to kill an innocent child, but couldnt do it, when the grand inquisitor saw his weakness, he was going to cut my character down for his failure but then they were attacked and a despite a bad injury a jedi saved him an nurtured him back to health. The jedi sensed the good that was still inside him. that being said, what would you recommend between purple or indigo? I'm scared with purple being too pink, but also scared of indigo being too blue.
Glad I could start to help, sorry I can't help more. Since I can't actually afford a saber, I don't know exactly what the colors look like in person.

I'd still say it's a matter of personal preference though: even if I'd seen both in person, "too pink/too blue" would still be very subjective, both to personal taste and how we individually perceive color. I might not think their purple is too pink, you might think it like it is pink with not much purple to be found at all. Same goes for the indigo. If they look the way I picture them in my mind though, I'd either one would be good choice. Sorry I couldn't help more.
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Well I do agree that because they don't have any side they can use any crystal or any saber or saber finish, I love the gray jedi branch code and for my firts saber I chose a jedilike saber (chosen) with a sithlike finish (weathered) with a Amber LED.

I would advise to read this article or even look for videos in youtube about the colors for the sabers.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_crystal
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grey jedi 2 weeks 1 day ago #63199

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Apparently there's new cannon on this subject:
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Yeah, I still very much dislike this idea.

If purple was for those who walked the line close to the dark side, then Anakin would have had a purple blade originally.

Qui-Gon was very closesly straddling the line between force focused and combat focused, often being referred to as a Guardian as opposed to a Consular in the old EU, which doesn't explain him having a green blade.

Ahsoka's Clone Wars lightsaber was Green. Don't even slightly tell me she started off focused on the Force. She was far more combat focused. Plus, her second lightsaber was Yellow-Green, which isn't even explained.

The Temple Guards had Yellow sabers, so I'd like to know why those are Yellow. If anything the Guards should be Blue because they are more comabt focused.

Both new and old explainations fail to answer the Dark Saber, so either way I'd like a bloody answer to that.

Plus I dislike it not only because its a terrible explaination, but because it absolutely screws over the construct your own saber idea that has often been so prevalent, it stops someone making a saber with a colour that they wish, and prevents non-force users creating lightsabers, as not colouring the crystal using the Force would almost certainly stop it working.
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Mace Windu was a Form VII user and Anakin was Form V.
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grey jedi 2 weeks 1 day ago #63225

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Yeah, I still very much dislike this idea.

If purple was for those who walked the line close to the dark side, then Anakin would have had a purple blade originally.
To each their own, I can see pros & cons to it. The biggest con being: "Wait what color is your blade? Yeah I'mma go stand over here, thanks." I think with Anakin, he would've only had a purple crystal (under this interpretation) if he'd prepared a new one after coming close enough to the Dark Side.
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Qui-Gon was very closesly straddling the line between force focused and combat focused, often being referred to as a Guardian as opposed to a Consular in the old EU, which doesn't explain him having a green blade.
The 'Guardian/Consular' slip may've been a typo or a brain fart on the part of the author(s). But compared to other Jedi, I think most people consider Qui-Gon a Consular/more philosophical type. Certainly as opposed to Anakin. Although it does beg the question of why Obi-Wan wouldn't have had a green blade in ANH....
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Ahsoka's Clone Wars lightsaber was Green. Don't even slightly tell me she started off focused on the Force. She was far more combat focused. Plus, her second lightsaber was Yellow-Green, which isn't even explained.
That's certainly a valid point; hers should've been blue. That was probably more the producers saying "everyone has a blue saber, we need some green in here."
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The Temple Guards had Yellow sabers, so I'd like to know why those are Yellow. If anything the Guards should be Blue because they are more comabt focused.
Yeah, that is another hole in this interpretation. It doesn't account for yellow, orange/amber, pink, cyan or any of the other rare/one-off colors; white/silver I suppose could be argued as the 'uncolored' crystal.
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Both new and old explainations fail to answer the Dark Saber, so either way I'd like a bloody answer to that.
I get the impression that the Darksaber was a very ancient and unique thing, possibly one the very first 'energy/plasma saber' type weapons in existance. It's crystal could easily pre-date the current hilt it's in, it could possibly even be from a Rakattan Forcesaber (if those ever get re-cannonized, I liked Dawn of the Jedi).
Sidenote: Are the Rakatta themselves even cannon anymore?
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Plus I dislike it not only because its a terrible explaination, but because it absolutely screws over the construct your own saber idea that has often been so prevalent, it stops someone making a saber with a colour that they wish, and prevents non-force users creating lightsabers, as not colouring the crystal using the Force would almost certainly stop it working.
I'll admit I haven't read every book or comic, but has a non-Force user ever constructed a lightsaber? I could be mis-remembering, but I thought Clan Vizla found the Darksaber in the Jedi Archives but didn't actually build it? Even if someone who was completely Force-blind wished to build a lightsaber, I would think it would just have an "uncolored" (i.e. white/silver) blade.
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grey jedi 2 weeks 1 day ago #63226

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The only things that are canon about what this guy said are that crystals gain their color after being attuned and installed, and that Sith crystals aren't synthetic. Nothing about color reflecting the user's nature or Force use is canon.
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Well, I don't know, I think Anakin was close enough to the Dark Side certainly after making his second lightsaber (the Graflex) to warrant a purple crystal.

Yeah I can see that Qui-Gon is very focused on the force, but he fights with abilities rivalling a Guardian nontheless, and was more combat adept than most consulars.

In terms of the Darksaber, there isn't all that much written about it, however the Wookiepedia article lists it as having a Kyber Crystal. Not sure on the source, but if it is a kyber crystal then it must still be coloured in a similar fashion. Also, I believe Rakatta are currently not canon, and it could not possibly be a Forcesaber anyway, as they required Dark Side energy to be focused into the hilt and crystal to form a blade, and Pre Vizsla was not a force sensitive, and in the new Rebels trailer we see Sabine Wren using it, and as far as I know she is not force sensitive (although I haven't yet watched rebels, I only watched the trailer for Thrawn, for obvious reasons :D )

I can't personally think of any non force users creating a lightsaber, but despite the fact they were usually constructed with force aid I refuse to believe that in such an advanced universe they couldn't at least closely replicate a lightsaber with mechanical aid.
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The only things that are canon about what this guy said are that crystals gain their color after being attuned and installed, and that Sith crystals aren't synthetic. Nothing about color reflecting the user's nature or Force use is canon.

Fair enough then, I find this an easier pill to swallow, I will freely admit to being not very well versed in the new canon, as I haven't had any chance to get into it past TFA. Still, there are benefits and downsides to the new canon, and I still believe the old explaination of Lightsaber crystals was better and allowed more freedom in writing.
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On that I agree; it's bound to happen. I don't mind so much that synthetic crystals are no longer canon (though it leaves it unclear where Luke gets the crystal for his saber). What really bothers me is that this (and other) aspects of canon are being passed down via f***ing Tweet, instead of with in-universe establishment.
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Yeah, I'd like some source material properly explaining this. I know its a science fantasy, but at least provide some explaination to one of the most integral parts of it (as long as it is done well, *cough* midi-chlorians *cough*)

Although the loss of Synthetic crystals really damages my ideas for some of my more "custom" custom saber ideas I want to put into practice later down the line. Of course, I'll still do them, because I'm choosing to believe in the old canon version of crystals, but it annoys me a little nontheless.
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