TOPIC: Star Wars: The Force Awakens

The Force Awakens was exactly what it needed to be. It was familiar enough to the fans to be immediately recognized as the Star Wars they remember, but a story they had yet to see, and thus a great vehicle to launch a new age of the saga! It presented us with new characters who will be the center of the upcoming stories, who are introduced to us, but by no means do we know anything substantive about them. We see them in the beginning of their story, and as it is with any opening chapter to a story, we were not meant to know much more than we do. The characters from the OT will each play an important role in the events to come, but it will ultimately fall on the new characters to stand in the light, or fall to the darkness along with the rest of the galaxy!

Rey will no doubt become more acquainted with the ways of the Force. Finn will be her loyal friend, and perhaps more. Or he could become a more active military member of the Resistance, as a way for atoning for his association with the First Order. Either would work for me. Po will be the warrior of the Resistance who will be the focus when warfare is necessary. Phasma will have a more involved role in upcoming chapters, as will Hux, and Snoke. Kylo will complete his training with Snoke and become an even more fearsome character than what we have seen, who is less given to angry outbursts, and more towards dark expressions of power that are closer to what he longed to be in TFA, which was more like Vader. With his new scars (thanks to Chewie and Rey), he might not be so quick to remove his mask in the future.

I did not expect any of the major questions posed to be answered before the end of this chapter, and I fully expect things to get darker before they get any better. Most of the best stories do. I believe there will be much more character development in Episode 8, which will endear us to these new characters even more than we already are.

Was it perfect, of course not. However it was very good, and hit all the major notes that it had to hit to rank as one of the better installments for me. I still have not come down on a number placement in the overall saga, but I would think it is at least in my top 4, and after additional viewings (at the theater, or the eventual disk release), it could go a little higher.

Yes, I firmly believe that this was a very good opening chapter to a trilogy that will get better as it goes. Between that prospect, and the anthology movies in between, it is an exciting time to be a Star Wars fan!

The scene of Han's death was one of the most well written parts in the film, and imo one of the best I've seen of the type. Yes, I was incredibly devastated, I cried actually but after seeing it three times, I've tried to catch every detail. Let's not forget that Harrison Ford himself has been wanting to kill off his character since the beginning. JJ Abrams had to think of how to send off this legendary character properly, poetically if you like. The scene was amazing. Immediately the audience can feel the danger and the imminent death when Han walks that narrow catwalk with no rails. It's cold and silent, so silent you can hear your own heartbeat. He gets face-to-face with his son, with the one person that means the worlds to him. He wants to help because he had that obligation. He can feel Ben's pain and struggle. I don't think Ben was lying when he said he was being torn apart and he needed his help. THEN it gets dark because the sun is drained, so all you see the darkness in the room, and that lingering red light glowing on their faces. You know what is about to go down but you don't want to believe that it will. Han knew his fate was sealed when he gripped his son's saber. The unthinkable happened, our beloved smuggler was killed by his own flesh and blood. But Han tenderly touched his son's face and looked at him with eyes that told his son "I'm not angry with you, and I do not blame YOU for this, you are still Ben to me, you are not a monster." I can't think of a better way it could've gone down. Yes, I was deeply sadden about his death, but I believe it had to be done. I realized that up until I saw the movie, Han had always been alive. In the books, comics, games; Han was alive. Now he's gone.
Anyway, that's all I got to say about that.

So has anyone else heard this thing about Disney infinity star wars where during a fight between Rey and kylo, kylo shouts something along the lines of " come on COUSIN fight me " !?!?! Did Disney drop the ball ? I'm thinking they did. Also , for anyone here who may have read the SHATTERED EMPIRE comic series, what part do you think the force bush Luke gave to pro's parents is going to play? I'm thinking that po is force sensitive and that's how he flies the way he does.

Kylo says "Curses!" not "cousin!" This has been debunked. Possibly. It will be interesting to see if the 1st tree (the one Luke keeps) pops up again.

Tonz_ wrote: Many haven't caught on, we can assume with no doubts that Rey IS Luke's daughter. And there is a lot of key evidence that points out that it will more than likely be true. I can go on forever about this, but I was able to pick up right after finishing the movie the first time. Then after seeing it a few more times I'm 90% percent sure she is a direct relative to Ben aka Kylo Ren.

h2soy wrote: Yeah, I'm sure the tree has an influence. That and good genes. His mom was a beast at the controls of a fighter. But if it's between Poe and Finn being Force sensitive (and I hope one of them is), I hope it's Finn.

"Fight me curses!"... doesn't seem to make sense. I saw that video before it was pulled down. While it wasn't exactly clear if he says "cousin", "curses" is out of place based on the inflection in his voice. He clearly begins the phrase, "Fight me" and is steady through all three words.. which would typically mean a noun or pronoun would follow.

On the other hand, I own the game, I guess I could just get to that part and find out for myself... but I'm still slowly working through Rise Against the Empire and I'm one of those that sticks to the script They probably released a patch on the sly anyway to change it up

Okay, I was inspired to dig deeper. He does seem to say what sounds like "curses" by itself when hit by an exploding barrel. So we could blame it on coding if there is a mesh of two different phrases. He could potentially be yelling "Face me!" because the code is triggered when the player is running away and "curses!" when hit by the barrel. If the player is enough of a distance away while throwing the barrel it would trigger both scripts and they could sound like one.

Either way, I still think she's a Skywalker

Ok so then I had this thought that maybe Leah sometime after Han left had some kind of fling or short lived love affair with some republic pilot ( Wedge lol )making Rey a Skywalker

Okay, one of my friends is stubbornly believing that Finn is going to die trying to save Rey. Despite the speculation aspect of this that does make it possible by a tiny bit, this isn't gonna happen. I have a pretty simple reason for that, and that is (besides how corny and lame it sounds) that we've already lost a protagonist. I give you what I call the Mentor Complex. Each new trilogy has sparked new fans of SW to crop up, and in each trilogy, in the beginning of its' arc, a beloved mentor like character dies, which touches new and old fans alike.

Ep 1: Qui-Gon Jinn
Well liked mentor character to main protagonist
Killed by Sith

Ep 4: Obi-Wan "Ben" Kenobi
Well liked mentor character to main protagonist and hero from previous trilogy
Killed by Vader-Sith and former apprentice

Ep 7: Han Solo
Well liked mentor character to main protagonist and hero from previous trilogy
Killed by Ben Solo/Kylo Ren-"Sith" and son

Those are the only protagonists to die in such a way in SW, which theoretically debunks the question of Finn's potential death.

I don't think he's going to die. However, I do think he's going to be different as a result of his injury in the next movie somehow...maybe.

Yeah, Finn isn't going anywhere. Could be a little cyborg-ized or something after that blow to his back, but he'll certainly live.

i have a theory about Rey, while i was watching the movie recently i caught a few lines, specifically when Rey first touches Lukes saber she has a "vision" we hear a child crying we hear wind blowing and we see a ship taking off from Jakku and Rey left behind and an older voiced male telling her to be silent.

Then there's Lukes hand reaching out to R2-D2 possibly using the force to link R2-D2 to himself or possibly Rey.

The second part of the vision a raining planet with dead bodies and the knights of Ren facing Rey.

One of the other lines that caught my attention was Kylo reading Reys mind he talking about the ocean, and the island, a sense of loneliness.

then of course we have Rey mind tricking a trooper, resisting Kylos mind reading, using the force to pull Lukes saber and standing up to Kylo as if she has had training.

Now my theory is what if Rey was one of Lukes new Jedi and trained along side Kylo under Luke.

Kylo reacts very badly when he hears of the droid having help from a "girl".

He also willingly takes off the mask in front of her, something he hadn't done up until that point.

When speaking to Snoke he states she is string in the force but "unaware" of it not untrained but unaware

the planet that Luke is waiting on is the same one that Kylo describes.

the scene showing the dead bodies and Rey against the knights of Ren what if its a flashback to when Ren Turned to the dark side and Rey was there, rather than a vision of the future.

so what if Luke wiped her memory to protect her from Snoke and Kylo, and linked her memories to R2-D2 so once she triggers her "Awakening" (during the fight with Kylo) R2-D2 wakes up and shows her where luke is.

as to Lor San Tekka having the map piece what if he was the person Rey was left with on Jakku when Luke went to him to get the location of the planet and he left the Map with him so when the time was right he could show it to Rey.

So long story short it may be they have pulled a KoToR on us Luke wiping Reys memory and implanting the false memory of being left on Jakku as a child, some of the memories come back when she touches the saber the first time, she assumes they are a vision of the future and ignores them, she could mind trick the trooper because she had been trained as a jedi and some things are muscle memory (a bit like language you can have amnesia and still understand and speak your native language), when Finn is taken out by Kylo she reacts with instinct and uses the force out of emotion rather than knowledge.

In the moment when Kylo has her against the cliff she reacts to the word Force when Kylo says it, and she finally connects the dots of what she has been doing and Syncs up with more of her training that was blocked until that point allowing her to best a tired and wounded Kylo.

And finally when she meets Luke for the first time the look on his face is pained and tormented mixed with pride and joy, most assume this is because of the saber he thought was lost, but he isn't looking down at the saber he's looking at Rey, he's proud she found her way back, joyful to see she has grown, pained for what he has done to her and what she has gone through, and tormented by what they both will have to do yet.

Now all of this is just speculation and likely completely false but it does tie a few things together and would be kinda cool, after all Revan was one of the more popular style of stories in the Legends EU

If anyone read this post, scratch it. I was being dumb.

It's possible, but it's also the most "obvious" way to go. Would it really surprise folks if Rey was Luke's daughter? Rey could simply be demonstrating psychometry when she touches the lightsaber, witnessing parts of its history. Recall the long hallway she sees, which is from ESB, when Luke battled Vader. As a force user, her dreams of the island and ocean could simply be visions of the future.

Still, there's no doubt that Ren (and very likely Han) knows who she is, which means a lot.

I think it's difficult to say. Signs point to both sides.
She heard voices and caught glimpses of the past and present (which is a force power that many jedi are capable of). And she's beginning her training late in her life so it's still scrambled to her and the powers are new to her.
The connection to the saber says Luke but Leia is also a Skywalker. So Rey could be a Solo which would explain her ability to fly and fix the ship like Han can. However, Anakin was a master mechanic and pilot also.
Perhaps Leia gave birth to Rey when Han was gone and he never know about it? It is the universe. It's not like Han just went to work for the day or there's Fb for him to find out shit. Plus it seems like the split up from their relationship. So maybe they got busy one last time. Then the issues with Ben hit and he went all darkside and peaces out. Han leaves. Rey is born…

NeBosa wrote: I've seen this suggestion a lot, and it never sits well with me. Sometimes it's that Luke had a kid he never knew about, other times it's Leia, and I never get how people are comfortable with how that paints the character? Just kinda dropping illegitimate kids around the galaxy? Your idea makes somewhat more sense since she'd still be Han and Leia's, but there are other issues there.
The other issue being: why didn't anyone say anything to her? That'd mean she met and spent time with both her mother and father, and they didn't say a word. I could maybe expect that from Han, but not Leia.

Nayanak wrote:
That older voiced male is Unkar Plutt, the Junk dealer. Now, who knows if that was intentional? Maybe it was just supposed to be a "voice" that we heard and there is no link. But my conspiracy theory mind recognizes that it's funny that Unkar is also in possession of the Falcon...

I dont think what you say sounds crazy in the least. Not sure what is being accepted as canon but what about Luke and his wife, Mara Jade. Is Rey his daughter that he sent away to protect? (Like his own parents leaving him on tatooine)
There did seem to be some recognition by Han Solo of who she is. Originally i thought he might be her father but wouldnt he or Kylo ren (her brother) have said something?
My guess is that she was present with kylo ren while he was training and he spared her (she WAS family, after all-and snoke specifically asks if he would be able to pass this test of killing family). That would explain how he knows who she is when hearing about "a girl" ( she is his cousin).

Hi all,

I read an article that suggested Rey was neither a Skywalker or a Solo!

Who were the voices we heard in Rey's vision? It wasn't Padme Amidala or Anakin Skywalker. One was Yoda and the other had a very distinguished voice both as a young man and as on older gentleman, a Grandfather possibly?
Who fits that description who hasn't been seen for say two generations?
Who might have done something necessary to blend in and hide after an onslaught?

I posted this on 27th Dec, might this be a possible clue in the accent?



"Trust your feelings, your eyes can deceive you, Trust the Force....."...?

Just a thought,

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