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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #51205
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So I heard back from Justin at customs@saberforge in reference to making custom LEDs question. He stated that when they get back up and running, I will be able to order a custom G,G,G,W LED from them. I just wanted to make people aware if anyone is doing their own DIY install and likes SF LEDs that this is a possibility. But it sounded as if it will still be a while before they are open for customs again.
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #51262
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Agreed, I emailed Justin this week and he said he is still overwhelmed this week with how many projects he has to do. He made it sound like he is booked up until mid to late May.
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #51269
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That is the price of fame! He does excellent work, and everybody wants one of his sabers. Hopefully, he is training others to do what he does, so that when the custom shop comes back online, they will be able to get caught-up quickly and make a lot of people happy!
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Imagine what you will know tomorrow....
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #51328
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Brax wrote:
That is the price of fame! He does excellent work, and everybody wants one of his sabers. Hopefully, he is training others to do what he does, so that when the custom shop comes back online, they will be able to get caught-up quickly and make a lot of people happy!
Truth !!! I feel for him, because once he and his crew finish the ASP Legacy sabers, the wait will return. Everyone that is" CHOMPING ON THE BIT" to get a saber commissioned thru Saberforge Customs.   
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #51356
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Andi-Jae EL wrote:
So I heard back from Justin at customs@saberforge in reference to making custom LEDs question. He stated that when they get back up and running, I will be able to order a custom G,G,G,W LED from them. I just wanted to make people aware if anyone is doing their own DIY install and likes SF LEDs that this is a possibility. But it sounded as if it will still be a while before they are open for customs again.
That sounds awesome! We may need a thread at some stage as to what are the "recipes" for certain LED mixes as far as what SF is willing to customize. |
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #51669
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Huzzah! Got a few 1" heatsinks on the way with a few resistors. About to order some Photo Red Tri-Stars and 18650s.
I'll be experimenting with a couple different resistors. One setup is a 2.1A LED (700mA/diode) that should work fine on TCSS/Trustfire 18650s, as well as a 3A LED (1000ma/diode) that might need a high-drain battery like the one Saber Forge offers. Hopefully reporting back within two weeks. EDIT: My 6W+ Blue LED just arrived. I can now confirm SF LED Quick Connects are wired with the positive wire on the long pin. |
LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53070
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Unedited photo. Up top is a single Photo Red driven at 1000-1200mA. Bottom is a Triple Photo Red driven at 3000mA total (1000mA per).
Triple unit gets pretty hot. Would not recommend in a PVC hilt. Going to wire up another at 2100mA (700mA per) to compare brightness and temperature. |
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53221
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Wrapped up the next round of testing.
Single Photo Red up top (1000mA+) Triple Photo Red in the middle (800mA ea - 2.4A total) Triple Photo Red at the bottom (1000ma ea - 3A total) 
The full-power 3A is noticeably brighter than the 2.4A, but not significantly brighter. Both triple-LEDs are placed in PVC hilts for testing. After about five minutes, the 3A hilt is pretty hot. 2.4A is warm, but not at all uncomfortable. After 10 minutes, the 3A practically burns - it's too hot to hold. 2.4A is warmer still, but manageable. The heat is also affecting LED efficiency - the 3A dims to about (or just under) the brightness of the 2.4A: 
These triple LEDs really need metal hilts for better heat management. When placed in an aluminum SF hilt, the entire saber hilt acts as a giant heatsink. In these tests, the LED module is acting as sole heatsink. I'm starting to see why multi-die LEDs are melting color filters... |
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53223
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@Kouri , Thanks for showing those. Hopefully one day we can have a bright and true Sith Red. I'm almost positive you thought about it, but to be safe, what about a Photo Red and Deep Red mash up? Or even the industry standard Red and Photo?
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53225
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Very nice demonstration, especially with how heat will effect LED brightness. The OCD side me kind of wants another picture with a saber with only two of the dies on (like in a simple FoC setup) in the mix.
SuUpberSith wrote: @Kouri , Thanks for showing those. Hopefully one day we can have a bright and true Sith Red. I'm almost positive you thought about it, but to be safe, what about a Photo Red and Deep Red mash up?
Photo red is deep red. |
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53228
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I had heard differently? Oh well, then maybe 1 standard red and 2 Photo?
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53230
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These *are* the Sith Red LEDs. They only look pink on camera because the camera sensor picks up the Infrared light we can't see and it renders that light as magenta. Same way folks take pictures of their Royal Blue blades and they look purple.
Here's that Vader on its own with color-correction to knock out the infrared: 
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53247
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@Kouri, sorry bro, I wasn't debating just I stating just stating (should have shut up) what I heard. I know your the residential LED master! lol
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Monarch SF, Reborn SF Weathered Dark Acolyte VV Korbanth, Graflex, K4 Tempest Elite VV |
LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53264
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No worries. I'm writing all this up so the information is publicly available. If there's something that's not clear, I'll keep going until we're all on the same page. We're cool.
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53336
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Kouri, thinking about toying with a Tri Cree Setup with FoC and was hoping for your feedback/thoughts/insight/experience. There's two sides I'm entertaining, practical application towards illumination/richness effectiveness versus potential heat problems (however a T6061 external with the LEDs Heat Sink 'should' negate this).
XPE Photo-Red (or Deep Red) has a 650-670nm. XPE Far-Red has a 720-740nm. On one side, exploring: XPE-FR/XPE2-Rb/XPE2-G; the other: XPE-FR/XPE-PR/XPE2-A. In this second setup, would the XPE-PR just be redundant during a mix as the FR will simply saturate it? Not just limited to this, what are your opinions on a Far-Red for in-Hilt LED either as 1UP, 2 or even 3(if foregoing FoC)? I am led to believe that XPE-PR/XPE-PR/XPE2-A works fine with only a (subjective) slight loss in brilliance-much similar to SFs Hero RGBA versus a dedicated 12+ & 6/6/12 setup. I'd appreciate your dollars worth as your knowledge measures much more than 2 cents. *If above doesn't make sense I may need to re-read my research material. |
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53337
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I've not experimented with a Far Red LED. My understanding is that it's an InfraRed LED that won't offer much visible light. I'm also quite happy with the color of a Photo Red.
As for color mixing with Photo Red, it's on my to-do list of experiments. That said, the Vader's Vault builders are of the opinion that Red does a better job of color-mixing with RoyalBlue and Green than Deep/Photo Red would. I don't yet have the experience to confirm nor deny that assessment. In your second star, I'm assuming you're after red blade with yellow/orange FoC? I've personally been meaning to try a PhotoRed/PhotoRed/Green for that task, since most boards with FOC have the option to blend the third die with the main blade, rather than replace the main entirely. |
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53338
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Kouri, Thank you for the Value-Meal Sir. I may have to experiment further with a standalone Far-Red to determine its overall aesthetic versus a standalone Photo-Red. Your 1UP versus 3 a few Posts back painted a pleasant picture. FR/PR may just well be the way to go as a dedicated without mixing for desired richness. Got's me some more tinkering and exchanges to explore. My fondness for Yellow/Amber is still quite high but am becoming a sucker for some menace. Thanks again for the input.
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53549
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If you're going to test out that Far Red, I'd recommend just picking up a one-up star so you're not investing too much. I'm expecting it to be a really disappointing blade LED in terms of brightness, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
Back to Tri-Crees, here's the 2.4A Tri-Photo Red all assembled. 
I'm using 28-gauge wire and had to widen the center hole of the star to 3/16" (4.5mm). TCSS center-hole heatsinks already have an adequate hole. If you're using the LED-Supply heatsink, four wires is the limit of what I could fit, so you'll either need to bridge connections on the star or drill out the heatsink as well. If you've got a source of 30-gauge wire, those might fit, but I've got a few spools of the 28 to run through before I start buying up more wire. |
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53638
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Thanks Kouri, How do I articulate this, can't brain today-got's the Dumb. Having seen Red blades (both in-Hilt LED versus String Blades) and your recent Post of the 1UP Photo versus 3, I am trying to achieve a consistent 'richness' influenced by 'fullness' rather brightness. I don't even know if that makes sense. I am imagining dark red that once illuminated is still relatively dark, not so much just like a red day blade. The darker spectrum of red when mixed with say XPE2 Rb & G is also becoming intriguing. I may need to rethink descriptive word choice. Where I'm at is I can picture what I am trying to get but describing it to another is where I am not succeeding. Liking to a feeling if you will. Unique to the beholder but measured different to another. I hope that much is understood.
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LEDs 1 year 8 months ago #53653
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Any idea what size heat-shrink went over the micro deans? Need to order some, I like that.
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