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TOPIC: 2 new sabers!!!!
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25468
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Just got 2 brand new sabers!!! Pics to come! These sabers looks absolutely gorgeous! Excellent craftsmanship. I ordered a 12W artic blue galdius as well as a 12W red venom. The artic blue is awesome and looks just like the blue from A New Hope. So bright it hurts my eyes. The red venom on the other hand is slightly disappointing. While the Venom hilt is excellent and flawless, I must say the red LED is not as impressive. While the LEDS themselves seem to be a reddish color, the blade is more orange than red. The blade is definitely not the crimson red I expected. Its not red as in "Coca-Cola Red" but rather it is more along the lines of an orange traffic cone, if these analogies make sense lol.
All in all I'm pretty stoke on these sabers. Though if anyone can shed some light as to my venom's LED I would greatly appreciate it. Any other red saber owners have a similar experience? I'll have pictures later today once my chick comes over with her camera. BTW both sabers have fully charged batteries. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25476
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This is the color that my blade is....
This is the true red/crimson red I was expecting and hoping for.....(not the white core as depicted in the photo but the color of the red glow around the lightsaber) |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25477
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Can we see some pictures! I'm curious as to what color you are seeing. I know camera differences might be a factor but you should post some anyway =) Thanks
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2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25479
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No camera man....but I promise you the blade is the exact same color as that orange sun picture I posted. EXACTLY THE SAME COLOR. Which is weird bc the LEDS themselves, when shined on a white wall, sort of look red but sort of look orange too.
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2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25483
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Once you're able, please take as many good pics for the red saber as possible. There have been a number of similar posts lately and I'm a bit interested to see some more decent photos of the color. Could be a manufacturer error and they shipped out the incorrect LEDs or could be a mislabled container, but I'd like to be absolutely sure it's not the 12W Red color before continuing to speculate in these threads.
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2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25485
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Gotha pics up by tonight.
SNakeeyz99 do you own a red saber? If so, what color is your blade? |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25486
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I'm still waiting on my first saber, which is going to be RGBA. From what I've seen in pictures the red sabers can vary from a slightly orange-ish glow at the core to a white, but that's just from pictures. The best idea of what color the red sabers run at is the picture on the SF website, which looks a bit orange-y than pure red, and the LED data sheet, which suggests that the leds can produce at best a color at 630nm compared to a "pure red" 650nm (orange is 590nm, so the spec falls right about in the middle). I've been kinda following these reports closely since I'm an electrical engineer previously employed at a technology Helpdesk, and I have too much extra time on my hands.
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2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25487
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Somebody just got banned over this subject,, which has come up a lot lately. Approach with care.
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"Remember: Your focus determines your reality."
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2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25488
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Wow that makes alot of sense. So essentially if your theory is correct, the RED LEDS SF uses produce a color which isnt quite a true red. It produces a color that is between red and orange in terms of "nm".
If that is the case then my orangish blade is normal? One would think that SF would put something on the website informing potential buyers that their red isn't pure red but rather a red-orange somewhere around 630nm. Guess I'll be sending this saber back and attempt to pay for a different colored LED because I wanted pure red, not some orangish off-red. I figure purple would be a good dark side option since SF's red isn't a pure red and I absolutely HATE orange and any variatoin of orange haha. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25489
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haha uh oh, what a shame.
I think I'm approaching this topic with care. Just trying to figure out what's up with this weird orangish "red" LED. Can't imagine why a question of color would get someone banned. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25491
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Don't worry JoshS, it's just because he posted 5+ threads on the subject and got into a name-calling argument with a few other members of the forum. I would link the fight as an example for how not to react but it was removed in its entirety.
The red module is made using red Cree XB-D LED's, which, by definition on the Cree datasheet, is red. 650nm (the wavelength of the light in nanometers) is a value preferred by LED enthusiasts, but the LED produced by Saberforge is red. If you think the issue is a mistaken LED you can always contact sales and see if they can assess and fix your blade if needed. I have not had a good opportunity to see a side by side comparison of the sabers in these posts with a previously ordered tried-and-true Red, so I'm basing anything I say on the idea that the amount of complaints indicates that something is actually wrong. For all I know the color you have in your hands is red, as I have not had first-hand experience with the sabers. TL;DR: Contact sales and take anything I say with a grain of salt. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25493
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It's foul and/or aggressive language that gets users banned. That and repeated, useless or nonsensical posts. If you've got a legitimate concern, it'll be addressed as helpfully as possible by everyone here who can offer help.
Knytiri will give warnings if anyone strays too close to the dark side, so like snakeeyz99 says, don't worry JoshS! |
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2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25499
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Hi, Im new to this forum but not new to lightsabers. Currently I only own one Saberforge lightsaber, a prodigal son in green. However my 2nd saber is on order and will be in red.
I fully expect the red to have a somewhat orange hue to it because every other saber Ive ever owned has been this way. Whether Ultrasabers, blazing red, custom sabers or master replicas or Hasbro sabers, all of them have been on the more orange side of red. In my experience most red LED's have to be a compromise between color and brightness. The human eye does not see all colors at the same intensity. Different colors have a different apparent brightness. For instance if you put a 12W green Led side by side with a 12W red LED, running on the same exact power source at the same level of charge using identical blades, the green will appear brighter every time because green has more apparent brightness to the human eye than red does. Red also happens to be the color with the longest visible wavelength. The closer you get to pure red the closer you get to the infrared spectrum which is invisible to the human eye. So in order to pump a pure red LED up to the apparent brightness of say green you need a lot more power than you would for the green LED to get the same apparent brightness. The same holds true in audio. Bass frequencies require a lot more amplification to bring them to the same apparent volume as more treble frequencies. Red is the visual equivalent of what bass is to audio. I believe most red LED's are shifted away from what we would consider pure red to be able to achieve a more acceptable brightness while still being power efficient. A brightness to color compromise. Ultimately I would rather have the red appear brighter even if slightly more orange than I would to have a dim, although pure red LED. Its personal opinion of course, but I believe that is the compromise you have to make with red. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25501
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Gorobulus wrote:
Hi, Im new to this forum but not new to lightsabers. Currently I only own one Saberforge lightsaber, a prodigal son in green. However my 2nd saber is on order and will be in red.
I fully expect the red to have a somewhat orange hue to it because every other saber Ive ever owned has been this way. Whether Ultrasabers, blazing red, custom sabers or master replicas or Hasbro sabers, all of them have been on the more orange side of red. In my experience most red LED's have to be a compromise between color and brightness. The human eye does not see all colors at the same intensity. Different colors have a different apparent brightness. For instance if you put a 12W green Led side by side with a 12W red LED, running on the same exact power source at the same level of charge using identical blades, the green will appear brighter every time because green has more apparent brightness to the human eye than red does. Red also happens to be the color with the longest visible wavelength. The closer you get to pure red the closer you get to the infrared spectrum which is invisible to the human eye. So in order to pump a pure red LED up to the apparent brightness of say green you need a lot more power than you would for the green LED to get the same apparent brightness. The same holds true in audio. Bass frequencies require a lot more amplification to bring them to the same apparent volume as more treble frequencies. Red is the visual equivalent of what bass is to audio. I believe most red LED's are shifted away from what we would consider pure red to be able to achieve a more acceptable brightness while still being power efficient. A brightness to color compromise. Ultimately I would rather have the red appear brighter even if slightly more orange than I would to have a dim, although pure red LED. Its personal opinion of course, but I believe that is the compromise you have to make with red. That was a very intelligent response. I believe your theory is correct and applaud you for it. As to the guy who said he'd like pics, I don't have a phone with a camera. Not a fan of smart phones so can't take a picture for you. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25502
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joshS wrote:
As to the guy who said he'd like pics, I don't have a phone with a camera. Not a fan of smart phones so can't take a picture for you.
It's all good... with multiple people seeming to have this or a similar problem I am curious as to see what the color looks like. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25503
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Thanks goro for the explanation! I think it's good for people to hear that it is industry wide.
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"Remember: Your focus determines your reality."
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2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25505
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Gorobulus wrote:
Hi, Im new to this forum but not new to lightsabers. Currently I only own one Saberforge lightsaber, a prodigal son in green. However my 2nd saber is on order and will be in red.
I fully expect the red to have a somewhat orange hue to it because every other saber Ive ever owned has been this way. Whether Ultrasabers, blazing red, custom sabers or master replicas or Hasbro sabers, all of them have been on the more orange side of red. In my experience most red LED's have to be a compromise between color and brightness. The human eye does not see all colors at the same intensity. Different colors have a different apparent brightness. For instance if you put a 12W green Led side by side with a 12W red LED, running on the same exact power source at the same level of charge using identical blades, the green will appear brighter every time because green has more apparent brightness to the human eye than red does. Red also happens to be the color with the longest visible wavelength. The closer you get to pure red the closer you get to the infrared spectrum which is invisible to the human eye. So in order to pump a pure red LED up to the apparent brightness of say green you need a lot more power than you would for the green LED to get the same apparent brightness. The same holds true in audio. Bass frequencies require a lot more amplification to bring them to the same apparent volume as more treble frequencies. Red is the visual equivalent of what bass is to audio. I believe most red LED's are shifted away from what we would consider pure red to be able to achieve a more acceptable brightness while still being power efficient. A brightness to color compromise. Ultimately I would rather have the red appear brighter even if slightly more orange than I would to have a dim, although pure red LED. Its personal opinion of course, but I believe that is the compromise you have to make with red. Quite true. This is something you'll notice almost everywhere: stop lights, brake lights, power lights in small electronics, etc. There is definitely a compromise between brightness and wavelength- something current semiconductors are not able to overcome so well. I'm actually running through some theoretical values to see what the potential brightness difference you would see in a 650nm red saber would be. I will probably report back at some point with what I find. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25507
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Ok so I just did some quick research on the Cree XB-D LED's Saberforge apparently uses. The datasheet says the average wavelength for its red LED is 625nm with a variation between 620nm to 630nm.
Pure red is around 650nm, while orange is around 590nm. So right away this red LED is about halfway between red and orange, with a 630nm LED being closest to red and a 620nm LED being closest to orange. However all of these would be considered red for the purposes of the LED's specifications. So I believe this is normal for this particular LED to have some orange hue to it. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25508
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Gorobulus wrote:
Ok so I just did some quick research on the Cree XB-D LED's Saberforge apparently uses. The datasheet says the average wavelength for its red LED is 625nm with a variation between 620nm to 630nm.
Pure red is around 650nm, while orange is around 590nm. So right away this red LED is about halfway between red and orange, with a 630nm LED being closest to red and a 620nm LED being closest to orange. However all of these would be considered red for the purposes of the LED's specifications. So I believe this is normal for this particular LED to have some orange hue to it. Yes, this is true. I compared the flux values of the XB-D LEDs and those of the XP-E "Photo Red" values and found that you could lose roughly 45% of your brightness if you were to have a true red saber. I never converted radiant flux to luminous flux before, though, so I may have made a mistake in my calculation. I will probably order some components and compare them in person to confirm, but I think we have the culprit. |
2 new sabers!!!! 1 year 8 months ago #25510
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This is why the sith choose red, only true sith can see pure red....
Most of us are somewhere on the spectrum towards the light side, but for those haneous few..... 
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