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TOPIC: would thin necks be good for dueling
would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 1 week ago #56517
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Hello, I'm looking to buy a Prodigal Son and wanted to display it, also do all round/ full contact dueling, would
the thin neck be good for this? Thanks |
would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 1 week ago #57003
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 1 week ago #57145
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The thin neck sabers will hold up fine to full contact dueling, but I don't know if the Prodigal son would be the "best" choice of the thin necks for dueling because the activation box gets in the way sometimes and the corners can really tear up your hands (unavoidable when actually dueling).
The Exhalted would be the best of the thin necks for dueling as it lacks this activation box. It's not that you can't duel with the Prodigal Son... just not the weapon of choice for that purpose. I also really like the Exhalted's longer overall body which allows you to get a lot more leverage with 2 hands than either the Prodigal Son or Redeemer, which comes in awful handy when pushing someone's saber out of the way for a strike. The bottom/pommel of the exhalted (same design as the Fury) is probably the most comfortable/natural lower grip spot of any of the hilts I've had a chance to toy around with too. Just fits the hands so nicely. |
would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 1 week ago #57148
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Much as it pains me to admit (give my own saber is an Exhalted), the Chosen might be even better for dueling. I say that only because the neck is a little thicker, and is one solid piece. Those two things put together means it should be able to take more punishment than any of the other thin-neck designs IMHO.
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 5 days ago #57687
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The PS is probably the weakest for dueling. The other thin necks should be fine, I've never seen someone have a problem with those.
But I continue to see the PS break in the same exact spot. These are three different sabers, of a few I've seen break over the past few months. All break at the threads. I dunno if the PS is using different materials for the neck, but I've never seen the other thin necks have even close to this problem. 
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 5 days ago #57691
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Thanks for this! Seeing is believing!
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 5 days ago #57694
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I would hope that SF is using a new material/new process because I just purchased a PS two months ago and I intended to do some medium/heavy dueling with it.
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 3 days ago #57948
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Thanks so much! I am glad for this info!
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 2 days ago #58079
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Brax wrote:
Much as it pains me to admit (give my own saber is an Exhalted), the Chosen might be even better for dueling. I say that only because the neck is a little thicker, and is one solid piece. Those two things put together means it should be able to take more punishment than any of the other thin-neck designs IMHO.
I see your point there, just got a chosen for my son, so I'm quite familiar with that hilt as well. While it may put up with a bit more abuse, I still don't know if that necessarily makes it "better for dueling". I really think the additional length on the hilt of the exhalted, and the corresponding increase in leverage makes a massive difference when dueling, and ability to push the other persons blade around (out of the way of a strike). Assuming equal strength and skill duelists with an exhalted or a chosen, my money would be on the person with the exhalted to win for this very reason. |
would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 2 days ago #58089
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I work with the principle that everything can break if hit hard enough. I have now seen for myself even the SF V4 Infinity blade break under very hard dueling over a period of time (i.e. slowly sustaining weakening of the blade over time). It was in a saber class. And given that we have a fragile soundboard, AV switch and recharge port exposed (assuming Champion or Hero tiers), best to work with that assumption.
Don't get me wrong: I have no doubt that SF produces very well tested and strong sabers that will cater for dueling very well. I tell my friends that when they ask. But I do add a friendly caution so people are informed. |
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 18 hours ago #58277
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Wow. While it doesn't surprise me that a thin neck may be bit more prone to having a breaking point, it is still interesting to see that they are consistently breaking in the same location. Hopefully these have all been reported to Saberforge so they can look into it and see if there is some kind of flaw in the designs or techniques.
Are they all from a certain year or are they all different versions? |
would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 17 hours ago #58279
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All within the past year or so. One as recent as maybe two months ago. And others from earlier last year. Those are just the ones I've seen.
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 17 hours ago #58280
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Maybe I'm alone with this train of thought, whilst I don't dismiss that it's possible that it can happen, I am however inclined to believe that the neck-snap Reports appear more likely and consistent to either blade on neck contact or neck on neck contact more than blade on blade. How often has it been seen when two are engaged in sparring that escalates into heavier smacking in attempts to better the opponent? During this course isn't it just as likely that the targeted point of contact is misjudged and hands/knuckles/Hilt itself receives the blow?
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 17 hours ago #58282
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Mine has held up fine so far, and it is over a year old. My son and I have smacked blades together pretty hard at times, and there are no signs of cracks, bends or breaks.
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would thin necks be good for dueling 5 months 16 hours ago #58303
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While I am still confidant that the thin necked sabers will hold up (still debating tricking the wife into letting me get an exalted or chosen heheh) It's good to know what to watch for in terms of potential issues so I am aware of what to watch for.
Given how many are out there, and that so far it only appears as though it's the Prodigal Son of a given time frame, could it be a glimpse of a potential bad batch perhaps? A flaw in a particular batch of parts? Mind you there are a lot of Prodigal Son and ASP parts with that emitter, so this could be a very, very isolated issue with a particular batch run. Hopefully it's just very isolated and very few in between, but I am sure if more had this issue there would be more evidence of it. |
would thin necks be good for dueling 4 months 4 weeks ago #58639
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Oh here's another one. Happened in April Same EXACT Neck break. Like I said, strangely its ONLY THE PS model that keeps breaking
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would thin necks be good for dueling 4 months 4 weeks ago #58641
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Bottom line is that the Prodigal Son is advertised as a full combat saber, and is warrantied accordingly. If, in the unfortunate case yours happens to be one that fails under those conditions, you are covered.
Things like this tend to scare folks, and what bothers me about that is somewhat unrepresentative. It does not attempt inform about all of the Prodigal Son sabers, and other thin-necks out there doing just fine under full combat situations that you never hear anything about...and there are a LOT of them. So, take these reports with the appropriate sized grain of salt. If we assume good intentions on SFs part (which we should be doing), it is not their intention to supply substandard parts in even a few isolated cases. If there are some parts out there that don't meet their specs, the RMA process is what brings it to their attention, and alerts them to the need to take a closer look if the numbers warrant it. |
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would thin necks be good for dueling 4 months 4 weeks ago #58644
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Well it also shows a CLEAR design weakness. It's not a bunch of PS's breaking in random places. They're breaking in the EXACT sand spot every time.
So people are asking are they duel worthy. Well SF says yeah, and its covered by warranty. But if you had to choose between the three thin necks they offer I'd go with the other two. But that's my opinion after seeing people have the SAME problem repeatedly with that specific model. And no it doesn't represent a large percentage of that hilt in the grand scheme of things. But at the same time what percentage of owners are putting that hilt through its paces. These guys apparently did... |
would thin necks be good for dueling 4 months 4 weeks ago #58645
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I think you are confusing a design issue, with a few bad parts.
Parts issues happen, they get noticed, and they get rectified. I think you have made folks aware that there could be some emitters out there that don't meet specs, and could have a problem. That is allowable. However, I don't believe this warrants the level of concern that you are attempting to generate here, and this is starting to take on a tone that I won't allow if it continues in this direction. Fair warning. |
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would thin necks be good for dueling 4 months 4 weeks ago #58646
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On the other side of the coin, I've had my prodigal son for two and a half years, beaten the bejeezuz out of it many times and it's neck is still solid as a rock. In any branch of manufacturing your going to have a few duds. That's just the way it is. But by and large I think the prodigal son is solid. It's saberforge best selling and one of their oldest models. If it was junk I don't think it would have lasted this long.
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